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The idea stems from a conversation John Thompson and I had surrounding grade and my work to standardize the grade reference table on Intrepid. The point is that particular grades mean different things depending on the curriculum they are attached to. ST3 for Paediatrics means something very different than ST3 for GP or for O&G, etc. This difference could include the Tariff Rate of the post, the pay banding of the trainee, whether the post is higher or lower, the training year in proximity to CCT. Currently this information is stored through the knowledge of the employees of HEE but is not indicated in any way on the database. Using the example of ST3, there is no indication that ST3 has any other meaning in GP to Paeds. The proposal is to take the idea of Curriculum Grade and adapt it to something which becomes informative of the training year as it relates to the curriculum. This would be done by creating a Curriculum Grade Type to which training grade would be assigned. For instance Paediatrics would include Paediatrics Curriculum - Lower Training - ST1, ST2, ST3; Higher Training - ST4, ST5, ST6, ST7,ST8. Hopefully I made that clear. John or Alice Brindle would probably be able to help in explaining this.

currently have an issue with ACCS Anaesthetics CT3 trainees who, according to the curriculum, should be paid at CT2 level as their responsibilities at CT3 are only the same as CT2 in EM or AM.  We were initially asked to record them as CT2b but as this is not a grade we have so we made a decision that they should be recorded as CT3.  This has meant that Trusts are increasing their pay banding and NHS Employers have challenged this.  If we could record the information via the curriculum this would help but we would still need a good comms strategy to our Trusts to help them understand how the system works so they can ascertain which salary the trainees should.  I am also wary of over complicating things so it would need to be quite simple.

Work required to link training grade to other information and make the data more meaningful (IO)


Not MVP consideration as it's not i Intrepid - need to look at in future

Post MVP

James Harris, 06/09

Amanda Barber, 08/09


2with regards to the curriculum length (TISDEV-2447), please can we confirm that this will just pre-populate the initial CCT date, which can then be manually edited? (I'm thinking academics, doctors counting LAT time, extensions to training etc.)Yes it will, but end dates for Programmes & Curricula need to be editable - confirm this is in a story

Confirm story created (IO) TISDEV-2933

Andy Petherbridge, 14/09
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On a related note, can the CCT date find the right day of the week rather than just the same day of the month? We asked for this in V10 but I guess they must have given up (may be one of those things that's easy for us and hard for a computer)

Consideration for post-MVP, CCT date gets manually edited once Trainee is in programmePost MVPTom de Salis
4Should programme name be second column, rather than local office?

Yes, from a user perspective it should be Programme Name, Programme Number, Local Team and then Status.

So change to ordering of columns is required as above.

Ticket to be written (IO)

TISDEV-2934

Ify, 23/09
5Regarding legacy programme data, are they still being used and should be flagged as current? Or are they possibly a candidate for tidy up?

Former user (Deleted) do you have an example so I know the context of this question please?


Joanne Watson (Unlicensed)Alistair Pringle (Unlicensed) - within Programmes list, there is a programme listed as "House Officer - Legacy" which has a current status so appears in the list page. There are a few of these instances...

To be tidied up in DR

N/AIfy, 23/09
6Should it be possible to create a Programme with the status "Delete"? It currently is

Default to 'current' on creation but yes have the option to change a status to delete because sometimes entities can be created in error so we should be able to remove them from the system

(IO) changing the status would be an edit, if they realised whilst creating that it's erroneous then they can cancel and not complete the create journey

Ticket to be written (IO)

TISDEV-2935

Ify, 23/09
7Search and Create Training Number no longer needed in this section as part of Person record

Ticket to be written (IO)

TISDEV-2936

Ify, 23/09
8Wider question - is search NTN necessary? Assumption is that admin can search for an NTN in People component.I've never had to search for an NTN - Alistair Pringle (Unlicensed) have you?  As aboveIfy, 23/09
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During the initial meeting for Programmes and Curricula we discussed how it would be very useful for curricula to be able to span local programmes. We mentioned it with IDTs. A trainee would IDT to a different region but their curriculum could stay the same.
I have recently encountered another example where this would be extremely useful. Core Academic Trainees do two years of their academic curriculum in Core and then the last year in their Higher Programme. Currently we have to split this curriculum in two to fall over the two programmes. The academic return we need to do requires us to give the start date and end date of their curriculum. Having one Academic Curriculum spanning parts of their Core and Higher Programmes would make reporting on this far easier and would also be far more accurate as it is in reality just one curriculum.
Is this functionality likely to be in TIS?


James Harris, 23/11Alistair Pringle (Unlicensed)Joanne Watson (Unlicensed)
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create & search training number is still available on navigation



Ify, 06/12
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When adding programme membership to a trainee (under People), I came across the following:

  • There are no initial drop-downs. Instead there is predictive typing – which is less user-friendly and not good for dyslexics.
  • The predictive typing brings up a list of programmes, but these appear in random order and not in alphabetical order – not only is this not user-friendly it also makes the process of finding the correct programme more time-consuming.
  • Moreover, programmes like Anaesthetics appear several times spelled exactly the same, but depending on which one you click you have a different local office (eg: North East or East of England, etc).
  • When adding curriculum there is no longer predictive typing and it appears impossible to work out how to add the curriculum. It appears there is a very limited area one can click to bring up a list of curricula. This nearly made me give up – I thought the system was broken.
  • Also it is impossible to bring up Curriculum without having brought up Programme first, but it does not tell you this – again I thought the system was broken.
  • When a choice of curricula is finally brought up, it is again not alphabetised, but listed in random order – very unhelpful and will make the whole process more time-consuming.


Annette Nilsson
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When going into Programmes, rather than into People, I found:

  • Again Curricula is not alphabetised


Annette Nilsson
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